diff --git a/expcore/Gui/core.lua b/expcore/Gui/core.lua
index 6e4e9a3e..011bf283 100644
--- a/expcore/Gui/core.lua
+++ b/expcore/Gui/core.lua
@@ -152,17 +152,13 @@
 ]]
 local Gui = require 'utils.gui'
 local Game = require 'utils.game'
-local Global = require 'utils.global'
 local Store = require 'expcore.store'
+local Instances = require 'expcore.gui.instances'
 
 Gui._prototype = {} -- Stores the base prototype of all element defines
 Gui.classes = {} -- Stores the class definations used to create element defines
 Gui.defines = {} -- Stores the indivdual element definations
 Gui.names = {} -- Stores debug names to link to gui uids
-Gui.instances = {} -- Stores runtime data of all active instances of an element define
-Global.register(Gui.instances,function(tbl)
-    Gui.instances = tbl
-end)
 
 --- Used internally to create new prototypes for element defines
 -- @tparam tbl table a table that will have functions added to it
@@ -211,24 +207,18 @@ function Gui._store_factory(callback)
 
         self.store = Store.uid_location()
         self.categorize = categorize
-        Gui.instances[self.name]={}
+
+        Instances.register(self.name,self.categorize)
 
         Store.register(self.store,function(value,category)
             if self.events.on_store_update then
                 self.events.on_store_update(value,category)
             end
 
-            local instances = Gui.get_instances(self,category)
-            if instances then
-
-                for k,element in pairs(instances) do
-                    if element and element.valid then
-                        callback(self,element,value)
-                    else
-                        instances[k] = nil
-                    end
-                end
-
+            if Instances.is_registered(self.name) then
+                Instances.apply_to_elements(self.name,category,function(element)
+                    callback(self,element,value)
+                end)
             end
         end)
 
@@ -256,24 +246,18 @@ function Gui._sync_store_factory(callback)
 
         self.store = location
         self.categorize = categorize
-        Gui.instances[self.name]={}
+
+        Instances.register(self.name,self.categorize)
 
         Store.register_synced(self.store,function(value,category)
             if self.events.on_store_update then
                 self.events.on_store_update(value,category)
             end
 
-            local instances = Gui.get_instances(self,category)
-            if instances then
-
-                for k,element in pairs(instances) do
-                    if element and element.valid then
-                        callback(self,element,value)
-                    else
-                        instances[k] = nil
-                    end
-                end
-
+            if Instances.is_registered(self.name) then
+                Instances.apply_to_elements(self,category,function(element)
+                    callback(self,element,value)
+                end)
             end
         end)
 
@@ -380,12 +364,8 @@ function Gui._prototype:draw_to(element)
         new_element.enabled = self.post_authenticator(player,self.name)
     end
 
-    if self.store then
-        local category = self.categorize and self.categorize(element) or nil
-        local instances = Gui.get_instances(self,category)
-        if instances then
-            table.insert(instances,new_element)
-        end
+    if Instances.is_registered(self.name) then
+        Instances.add_element(self.name,new_element)
     end
 
     if self.post_draw then self.post_draw(new_element) end
@@ -442,24 +422,6 @@ function Gui.get_define(name,internal)
     return define
 end
 
---- Gets all instances of the element define, mostly internal use and note invalid elements may be present in the return
--- @tparam name string the uid or debug name for the define to get the instances for
--- @tparam[opt] category string the category to get the instances for
--- @treturn table a table of LuaGuiElements that might be invalid which belong to this define
-function Gui.get_instances(name,category)
-    local define = Gui.get_define(name,true)
-    if not Gui.instances[define.name] then return end
-
-    local instances = Gui.instances[define.name]
-    if define.categorize then
-        if not instances[category] then instances[category] = {} end
-        return instances[category]
-
-    end
-
-    return instances
-end
-
 --- Gets the value that is stored for a given element define, category needed if categorize function used
 -- @tparam name ?string|table the uid, debug name or define for the element define to get
 -- @tparam[opt] category string the category to get the value for
diff --git a/expcore/Gui/instances.lua b/expcore/Gui/instances.lua
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..72532a4b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/expcore/Gui/instances.lua
@@ -0,0 +1,117 @@
+--- This file is a breakout from core which forcues on instance management of defines
+local Global = require 'utils.global'
+
+local Instances = {
+    categorise={},
+    data={}
+}
+Global.register(Instances.data,function(tbl)
+    Instances.data = tbl
+end)
+
+function Instances.has_categories(name)
+    return type(Instances.categorise[name]) == 'function'
+end
+
+function Instances.is_registered(name)
+    return Instances.categorise[name] ~= nil
+end
+
+function Instances.register(name,categorise)
+    if _LIFECYCLE ~= _STAGE.control then
+        return error('Can only be called during the control stage', 2)
+    end
+
+    if Instances.categorise[name] then
+        return error('Instances for '..name..' already exist.',2)
+    end
+
+    categorise = type(categorise) == 'function' and categorise or true
+
+    Instances.data[name] = {}
+    Instances.categorise[name] = categorise
+
+    return name
+end
+
+function Instances.add_element(name,element)
+    if not Instances.categorise[name] then
+        return error('Inavlid name for instance group: '..name,2)
+    end
+
+    if Instances.has_categories(name) then
+        local category = Instances.categorise[name](element)
+        if not Instances.data[name][category] then Instances.data[name][category] = {} end
+        table.insert(Instances.data[name][category],element)
+    else
+        table.insert(Instances.data[name],element)
+    end
+end
+
+function Instances.get_elements_raw(name,category)
+    if not Instances.categorise[name] then
+        return error('Inavlid name for instance group: '..name,2)
+    end
+
+    if Instances.has_categories(name) then
+        return Instances.data[name][category] or {}
+    else
+        return Instances.data[name]
+    end
+end
+
+function Instances.get_valid_elements(name,category,callback)
+    if not Instances.categorise[name] then
+        return error('Inavlid name for instance group: '..name,2)
+    end
+
+    category = category or callback
+    local elements = Instances.get_elements_raw(name,category)
+    local categorise = Instances.has_categories(name)
+
+    for key,element in pairs(elements) do
+        if not element or not element.valid then
+            elements[key] = nil
+        else
+            if categorise and callback then callback(element)
+            elseif category then category(element) end
+        end
+    end
+
+    return elements
+end
+Instances.get_elements = Instances.get_valid_elements
+Instances.apply_to_elements = Instances.get_valid_elements
+
+function Instances.unregistered_add_element(name,categorise,element)
+    if not Instances.data[name] then Instances.data[name] = {} end
+    if type(categorise) == 'function' then
+        local category = categorise(element)
+        if not Instances.data[name][category] then Instances.data[name][category] = {} end
+        table.insert(Instances.data[name][category],element)
+    else
+        table.insert(Instances.data[name],element)
+    end
+end
+
+function Instances.unregistered_get_elements(name,category,callback)
+    local elements = Instances.data[name]
+    if category then
+        elements = Instances.data[name][category]
+    end
+
+    if not elements then return {} end
+
+    for key,element in pairs(elements) do
+        if not element or not element.valid then
+            elements[key] = nil
+        else
+            if callback then callback(element) end
+        end
+    end
+
+    return elements
+end
+Instances.unregistered_apply_to_elements = Instances.runtime_get_elements
+
+return Instances
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/expcore/Gui/slider.lua b/expcore/Gui/slider.lua
index adf1b2c8..eb1ba17a 100644
--- a/expcore/Gui/slider.lua
+++ b/expcore/Gui/slider.lua
@@ -13,47 +13,9 @@
     Other functions present from expcore.gui.core
 ]]
 local Gui = require './core'
+local Instances = require './instances'
 local Game = require 'utils.game'
 
---- Gets the active lables for a define
--- @tparam define table the define to get the labels for
--- @tparam element LuaGuiElement the element that will be used to get the category
--- @treturn table the table of active instances for the slider lables
-local function get_labels(define,element)
-    local function cat(e)
-        return e.player_index
-    end
-
-    local name = define.name..'-label'
-    if not Gui.instances[name] then return end
-
-    local categorize = define.categorize or not define.store and cat
-    local category = categorize and categorize(element) or nil
-    local instances = Gui.get_instances({
-        name=name,
-        categorize=categorize
-    },category)
-
-    return instances
-end
-
---- Gets and updates the label values
--- @tparam define table the define to get the labels for
--- @tparam element LuaGuiElement the element that will be used to get the category
-local function update_lables(define,element)
-    local instances = get_labels(define,element)
-    local value = element.slider_value
-    if instances then
-        for k,instance in pairs(instances) do
-            if instance and instance.valid then
-                instance.caption = tostring(math.round(value,2))
-            else
-                instances[k]=nil
-            end
-        end
-    end
-end
-
 --- Event call for on_value_changed and store update
 -- @tparam define table the define that this is acting on
 -- @tparam element LuaGuiElement the element that triggered the event
@@ -69,7 +31,14 @@ local function event_call(define,element,value)
         define.events.on_element_update(player,element,value,percent)
     end
 
-    update_lables(define,element)
+    local category = player.name
+    if define.categorize then
+        category = define.categorize(element)
+    end
+
+    Instances.unregistered_get_elements(define.name..'-label',category,function(label)
+        label.caption = tostring(math.round(value,2))
+    end)
 end
 
 --- Store call for store update
@@ -183,10 +152,9 @@ function Slider._prototype:draw_label(element)
         caption=tostring(math.round(value,2))
     }
 
-    if not Gui.instances[name] then Gui.instances[name] = {} end
+    local categorise = self.categorise or Gui.player_store
 
-    local labels = get_labels(self,element)
-    table.insert(labels,new_element)
+    Instances.unregistered_add_element(name,categorise,new_element)
 
     return new_element
 end
diff --git a/expcore/gui.lua b/expcore/gui.lua
index 73618784..12af5c47 100644
--- a/expcore/gui.lua
+++ b/expcore/gui.lua
@@ -36,6 +36,13 @@ local Gui = require('./gui/core')
     Gui.toggle_visible(element) --- Will toggle the visiblity of an element
 ]]
 
+local Instances = require('./gui/instances')
+Gui.new_instance_group = Instances.registers
+Gui.get_instances = Instances.get_elements
+Gui.add_instance = Instances.get_elements
+Gui.update_instances = Instances.apply_to_elements
+Gui.classes.instances = Instances
+
 local Button = require('./gui/buttons')
 Gui.new_button = Button.new_button
 Gui.classes.button = Button